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PostSubject: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:23 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:40 pm

I'd heard about this in person but thought it was just another one of those bullshit homeopathy things where some guy claims to channel Jesus to cure cancer or uses some kind of weird plant.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-cancer-docs-abuzz-lymphoma-treatment/story?id=14283544

Let's hope it's not a hoax. If they can find a decent cure and make it mainstream within the next 10 years when I'll surely have started amassing my vast fortune, I'd feel very good about the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:43 pm

One of the patients whose cancer went into remission made a few comments too:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=14274742
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:59 pm

Indeed. And this "cure" is so painfully obvious I'm not sure what took so long for them to do this.

My main worry though is that the mainstreaming of this will probably be prevented by drug companies. Why cure people when they could continue treating them and make billions more? Wouldnt be surprised.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:08 pm

Don't give me any of that bullshit conspiracy theory. Too many rich people/intelligent scientists have lost loved ones to cancer. You might have 10 people out there at the top somewhere earning a lot of money off this but once this hits the news it'll be fine. Don't forget that this isn't even a CURE for cancer. It's a treatment. You'll still be able to get cancer. The pharmaceutical companies will market this just like they market chemotherapy, so if anything they get MORE business because chemo is nasty shit.

And it's not painfully obvious, you can say "let's make other cells find cancer cells" but to actually do that takes quite a bit of work as they explained in the articles. If you'll see it took them several years to even get this far and they still have years ahead of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:18 pm

Ronin, I need joo.

I hope you're right Fido, but I wouldnt be surprised if there were payoffs involved. Im glad this hit the news though so hopefully it'll come to fruition.

And I only read the article I linked and watched that vid, didnt read the abc article.

But yeah, the overall concept of extracting T-cells, inserting harmless HIV into the cells, and injecting the patient, and letting the immune system do its job... sounds pretty simple. I'm sure that video oversimplified it though.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:22 pm

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Don't give me any of that bullshit conspiracy theory. Too many rich people/intelligent scientists have lost loved ones to cancer. You might have 10 people out there at the top somewhere earning a lot of money off this but once this hits the news it'll be fine. Don't forget that this isn't even a CURE for cancer. It's a treatment. You'll still be able to get cancer. The pharmaceutical companies will market this just like they market chemotherapy, so if anything they get MORE business because chemo is nasty shit.

And it's not painfully obvious, you can say "let's make other cells find cancer cells" but to actually do that takes quite a bit of work as they explained in the articles. If you'll see it took them several years to even get this far and they still have years ahead of them.

Not bullshit.... Drug companies make more money with treatment then cures. A cure is a 1 time profit, treatment is ongoing.

Greed infests most coporations.

Hell, drug companies are trying to make holistic treatments illegal..... Whatever happened to freedom of choice?

They are driven by what will make them the most money. Fortunately many of the actual doctors themselves are actually good honest people searching for ways to improve life for us... of course, as they do.... the fuckers with money funding make sure to make as much money as they possibly can off of it.

Look at fuckin Magic Johnson.... how long has that dude lived with AIDS? If you have money, you can deal with just about anything.... without it? well, ur just fucked

This cure will be pretty much the same... to costly for any but the extremely wealthy while poorer people are left to continue hazardous radiation treatments... and poorer still left to just suffer and die

Tis the way of capitalism.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:23 pm

Call me a cynic..... I just call it facing the truth

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:33 pm

Wrong, Ronin. Look at polio and flu vaccinations. Given out for free in times of epidemic.

At some point, if this gets established as a viable treatment/cure, the governments of the world will be like "this is mandatory." Done.
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:02 pm

RoninHo'in wrote:
Call me a cynic..... I just call it facing the truth
Oh wow...
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:43 pm

Yeeahhhh, cause it's capitalism's fault. Rolling Eyes

I didnt say this was happening but I said there's a possibility, and I hope it doesnt.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:18 pm

Fido wrote:
flu vaccinations.
50 years ago.
Oh holy jesus fuck we're all gonna die from the avian bird flu.
Nothing happens.

3 years ago.
Oh holy jesus fuck we're all gonna die from the swine flu.
Nothing happens.

New flu strain comes out.
Oh holy jesus fuck we need this vaccine out.
3 months later.
Yes, we're all saved!...oh, huh? The strain mutated a few weeks in. Oh, uhh...sell 'em, we bought a couple thousand, might as well use them.
Derp.
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:34 am

Except the flu vaccines work...
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:02 am

If it's the correct strain, yes.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:01 pm

jesus christ.



What kind of point are you trying to make?
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:15 pm

How do you know which is the right one for the right strain, assuming it's there in the first place? Chances are you just go to the doctor every year, taking whatever you're offered.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:51 pm

.....

 

yea, youre right, it sucks that they are making breakthroughs towards eventually curing cancer once and for all, hopefully before I hit 60, which is when it usually hits members of my family.

 

Why should they be wasting time on that, when they could pool their resources in with the make-your-dick-bigger scientists and keep coming out with better viagra every year?
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:06 pm

We're talking about the flu since Fido threw out a poor example. Nobody cares about cancer, just like AIDS.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:55 pm

I don't understand you complete pessimists who say cancer research is pointless because some people make money off cancer. What a fun existence you must lead, hating the world and seeing evil at every turn, even in cancer breakthroughs. I don't know how this sort of existentialist stasis pessimism still exists because you'd think you'd all be chasing bullets through your head. Humanity has overcome or found a way to make bearable every problem it's ever faced and you guys think if they find a true cure for cancer the economy will trump it?
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:03 pm

It was a joke, don't get so bent out of shape.

The best way to beat cancer right now is to be preemptive with what you consume. Of course, people just want a magic pill or laser to cure everything that they have problems with, so w/e, not my problem.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:22 pm

"I lost an argument; proceeding to dismiss it as a joke."
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:33 pm

The only time I talked about cancer in this thread was when I stated nobody cares about it as a joke, I chose no stance over anything, and never had an argument in the first place.

If I really wanted to push it, yes, I honestly do think nobody cares about cancer. People are willing to go through some horrific treatments (chemo and radiotherapy) but not take some basic measures to prevent cancer in the first place? Lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:37 pm

That's not even close to what we were arguing about.
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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:40 pm

I was arguing about the ineffectiveness of flu vaccinations and distribution, until you swapped to my joke.

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PostSubject: Re: Scientists Successfully Destroy Cancer   Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:59 pm

"Ain't no love, in the heart of the city.."
I said where's the love?
"Ain't no love, in the heart of town.."
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