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PostSubject: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:54 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:04 pm

Guilty until proven innocent. Hoorah.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:52 pm

Hoorah is Marines...

Army is just HOOAH

or HUA

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:01 pm

My ignorance, it shows.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:53 pm

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My ignorance, it shows.
Heres a towel.

And wow.... if he gets life in prison or death.. wow.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:57 pm

Yah... BS.

Kick him out dishonorably.... he's already served enough time, shiz, it was all solitary confinement.

Of course some "big wigs" were all embarrassed and upset so of course they gotta make a big show of it.... can't have people shedding a bad light on our bad shiz

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Theyre only making themselves look bad with this sugar, keeping a US soldier locked like a war criminal for the dumbest sugar ever.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:47 pm

They already said they weren't looking for death penalty. Give them a break. The guy did commit treason... When you're in the military you should know better than to release any data to some website.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:46 pm

They really havent proved it yet though.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:02 pm

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Heres a towel.
Danke.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:44 am

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They really havent proved it yet though.

That's why he's only been charged and not sentenced to life in prison yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:15 am

Fido has a point, the man committed treason, that's pretty damn serious. You can't just give out a shedload of data and then not expect reprisal.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:28 pm

Touche, but life in prison seems over the top.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:34 pm

No it doesn't. If these weren't times of global peace (like, say, if this was before 1992) it would be expected by everyone that this guy gets put to death.

Having someone in your military organization compromising information to some random 3rd party source whose entire goal is to release as much sensitive information as possible... is definitely grounds for some heavy punishment in my book.

The only mitigating factor here is that he probably did it for ideology so certain like-minded people can call him noble. If he was paid for it he'd be a pure scumbag.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:32 pm

Of course doing it for money would make him a douchebag... that's irrelevant.

He knew shady shiz was going on, knew it needed to get out there but didn't know how, so dumped a shiz ton of files into wikileaks lap.

Motive is 100% relevant here... Like disobeying an unlawful order, you have the right, the DUTY, to expose your leaders BS... period

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:19 am

Motive's not relevant at all. He released classified information. You work for the government, with clearance, and you're expected to keep a secret or two.

If it's secret, it's secret for a reason. If everyone working in intelligence released the classified information they were working with, or had access to, on whatever moral ground made them feel justified, would it really be a better world?

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:03 am

actually...... yes

If people followed morals instead of orders, this world would be MUCH better off

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:12 pm

Everyone's morals are different. Shown here in this thread. I think if he's guilty he should be punished. That's my feeling of justice. You think he did a good thing. You want people to follow YOUR morals, not their morals. Some people don't have any morals at all. How do American Psychos and their ilk function in a world where everyone lives by morals and not orders?

Laws are there to keep people's fluctuating morals from interfering. It's not about morals, it's about the law. The law is changed as necessary and I don't get the impression that just because some people think it's right to tell the secrets of a world superpower, they're gonna scrap the laws forbidding that.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:40 pm

Thats true.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:28 pm

so exposing dirty secrets is a bad thing?

just stfu

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:05 pm

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Everyone's morals are different. Shown here in this thread. I think if he's guilty he should be punished. That's my feeling of justice. You think he did a good thing. You want people to follow YOUR morals, not their morals. Some people don't have any morals at all. How do American Psychos and their ilk function in a world where everyone lives by morals and not orders?

Laws are there to keep people's fluctuating morals from interfering. It's not about morals, it's about the law. The law is changed as necessary and I don't get the impression that just because some people think it's right to tell the secrets of a world superpower, they're gonna scrap the laws forbidding that.

Ah, it's good to have biblical morals based off of biblical laws. Everything is black and white, no wishy-washy compliance. Why, I even believe there's a biblical passage to expose the government's lies, such as Mark 6:18 "For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife."

Even if it's delusional that this country, or even world for that matter will become better by even a drop, at the very least I'm not standing idly by watching it burn.

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:08 pm

Exposing dirty secrets is irrelevant here. He released classified information that he had access to. That's not the same as exposing dirty secrets, that's a breach of trust, which basically is not acceptable in any serious organization with secrets. And that includes governments. So, sorry, but if he's guilty of the crime he committed, let him be punished.

I don't care if the secrets he released led to people finding out the US was committing genocide somewhere. Seriously, the type and amount of secrets he released has nothing to do with it: His actions violated several laws which makes him a criminal regardless of the moral reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:17 am

I think exposing dirty secrets is 100% relevant here. If a body of power can incarcerate anybody regardless of the initial crime they've done themselves, then how can they be kept in check?

That guy over there talking about how we burned down a children's hospital because we merely suspected the hospital of having volatile materials to create bombs and killed all those children? Arrest that motherfucker and get out the firing squad, he's releasing classified information on the top-secret file "Murder random civilians."

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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:45 am

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I think exposing dirty secrets is 100% relevant here. If a body of power can incarcerate anybody regardless of the initial crime they've done themselves, then how can they be kept in check?

That guy over there talking about how we burned down a children's hospital because we merely suspected the hospital of having volatile materials to create bombs and killed all those children? Arrest that motherfucker and get out the firing squad, he's releasing classified information on the top-secret file "Murder random civilians."

Er, they can be kept in check by the goddamn democratic system. Duh. Also there are plenty of judges with enough authority to demand insight and let's not forget the Freedom of Information act. And do you think this is the first time shady things have gone on during wartime? I think overall the US has cleaned up its act considerably since Vietnam.

Your example is random, doesn't make sense, doesn't apply.
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PostSubject: Re: Remember the Iraq Wikileaks whistle blower from the Army?   Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:53 pm

obviously that system isn't working since they've corrupted it with money, power and influence....

ergo, we must step outside THEIR system in order to bring them to heel.

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